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Science Fiction » alt.startrek » ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle)
| ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68588] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 05:05 |
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ToolPackinMama wrote:
> In ST2, Admiral Kirk visits Captain Spock in his quarters. Spock is not
> in his uniform, he's in his civvies - a robe - and is obviously lounging
> in comfy leisure attire, like people do before they go to bed.
>
> Kirk tells Spock about the crisis, and they chit-chat in an intimate,
> familiar way about who should properly be in command as they go to
> confront the crisis.
>
> At the peak of this private discussion, Kirk and Spock face each other
> in front of a huge IDIC mural (Woo! SUBTLE!), and Spock says, "I have
> been, and always shall be yours", to Kirk.
>
> (Woo! SUBTLE!)
>
> And then the camera cuts.
>
> (Woo! SUBTLE!)
>
> Next thing you know, we are flashing ahead to a scene where Admiral Kirk
> is formally declaring himself to be in command of the Enterprise. At
> that time it is 1800 hours, in other words, 6PM.
>
> I'm looking at the visit to the private quarters and the host-in-jammies
> and the obvious declaration of love, and I'm thinking "OK, so Kirk
> visits Spock while Spock is in his jammies, and Spock receives him, and
> they have a chummy little chat which climaxes with "I have been, and
> always shall be yours"... and then the camera cuts abruptly, leaving
> Kirk in Spock's quarters FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG... and I'm thinking...
>
> --> I know what people would think if that were a woman in her jammies,
> telling Kirk she always has and always will be his, and then the camera
> cuts, and there's a time lapse. <--
>
> A ~really long~ time lapse! Unless Spock's the kind of guy who would
> lounge around in his bathrobe in the middle of the day, when he's
> supposed to be on duty and on the bridge. I suppose Kirk could have
> visited Spock in the afternoon, during his lunch-and-meditation break,
> and it just oddly turned into a rather prolonged lunch-and-meditation
> break. I mean, maybe it wasn't hours and hours and hours, maybe it was
> only a couple of hours.
>
> :)
Then, something similar happens in ST6 (the movie where Kirk and Spock
are explicitly co-captains).
I'm not talking about this:
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/chekovsaw.html
I'm talking about later, when Jim visits Spock after hours... after
Spock obviously has retired for the night... and Jim apparently stays
alllllll night.
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/hihoney.jpg
If it were a woman, I know what you all would think, and I know why.
Ask yourselves: why is it different when it's a man?
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68593 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 05:43 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11c1fj9aaebjb62 [at] news.supernews.com...
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> In ST2, Admiral Kirk visits Captain Spock in his quarters. Spock is not
>> in his uniform, he's in his civvies - a robe - and is obviously lounging
>> in comfy leisure attire, like people do before they go to bed.
>>
>> Kirk tells Spock about the crisis, and they chit-chat in an intimate,
>> familiar way about who should properly be in command as they go to
>> confront the crisis.
>>
>> At the peak of this private discussion, Kirk and Spock face each other in
>> front of a huge IDIC mural (Woo! SUBTLE!), and Spock says, "I have been,
>> and always shall be yours", to Kirk.
>>
>> (Woo! SUBTLE!)
>>
>> And then the camera cuts.
>>
>> (Woo! SUBTLE!)
>>
>> Next thing you know, we are flashing ahead to a scene where Admiral Kirk
>> is formally declaring himself to be in command of the Enterprise. At
>> that time it is 1800 hours, in other words, 6PM.
>>
>> I'm looking at the visit to the private quarters and the host-in-jammies
>> and the obvious declaration of love, and I'm thinking "OK, so Kirk visits
>> Spock while Spock is in his jammies, and Spock receives him, and they
>> have a chummy little chat which climaxes with "I have been, and always
>> shall be yours"... and then the camera cuts abruptly, leaving Kirk in
>> Spock's quarters FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG... and I'm thinking...
>>
>> --> I know what people would think if that were a woman in her jammies,
>> telling Kirk she always has and always will be his, and then the camera
>> cuts, and there's a time lapse. <--
>>
>> A ~really long~ time lapse! Unless Spock's the kind of guy who would
>> lounge around in his bathrobe in the middle of the day, when he's
>> supposed to be on duty and on the bridge. I suppose Kirk could have
>> visited Spock in the afternoon, during his lunch-and-meditation break,
>> and it just oddly turned into a rather prolonged lunch-and-meditation
>> break. I mean, maybe it wasn't hours and hours and hours, maybe it was
>> only a couple of hours.
>>
>> :)
>
> Then, something similar happens in ST6 (the movie where Kirk and Spock are
> explicitly co-captains).
Rank - not necessarily Position.
>
> I'm not talking about this:
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/chekovsaw.html
>
> I'm talking about later, when Jim visits Spock after hours... after Spock
> obviously has retired for the night...
Or simply meditating.
> and Jim apparently stays alllllll night.
Did Paramount hide an easteregg on the dvd that 'reveals' this tidbit? I
thought not. Someone is seeing things that aren't there again.
>
> http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/hihoney.jpg
>
> If it were a woman, I know what you all would think, and I know why. Ask
> yourselves: why is it different when it's a man?
It's not. But since that's not what happened in ST6 the question is moot.
And before this goes any further:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.star-trek.tos/msg /edc99bd4aa862e6c
"Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
George
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68595 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 05:48 |
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George wrote:
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote
>>and Jim apparently stays alllllll night.
>
>
> Did Paramount hide an easteregg on the dvd that 'reveals' this tidbit? I
> thought not. Someone is seeing things that aren't there again.
Oh? Then explain in detail for those who will care how it is that you
know that Jim didn't stay allllllll night.
>
>>http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/hihoney.jpg
>>If it were a woman, I know what you all would think, and I know why. Ask
>>yourselves: why is it different when it's a man?
> It's not.
Damn right it's not. :)
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68596 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 05:49 |
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George wrote:
> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
Congratulations. You "win" the "debate". Now please stop hating me. ;)
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68599 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 06:14 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11c1i4i20uesq40 [at] news.supernews.com...
> George wrote:
>> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote
>
>>>and Jim apparently stays alllllll night.
>>
>>
>> Did Paramount hide an easteregg on the dvd that 'reveals' this tidbit? I
>> thought not. Someone is seeing things that aren't there again.
>
> Oh? Then explain in detail for those who will care how it is that you
> know that Jim didn't stay allllllll night.
Nothing in the scene suggests what *you* see nor does the commentary track.
Your agenda is showing again.
<snip>
All for not anyways. This thread is dead.
Goodwin!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.star-trek.tos/msg /edc99bd4aa862e6c
"Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
George
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68601 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 06:14 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11c1i6fbe3lnba0 [at] news.supernews.com...
> George wrote:
>
>> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
>> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
>
> Congratulations. You "win" the "debate". Now please stop hating me. ;)
Hate you? No. Pity you is more like it.
George
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68602 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 06:14 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11c1i6fbe3lnba0 [at] news.supernews.com...
> George wrote:
>
>> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
>> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
>
> Congratulations. You "win" the "debate". Now please stop hating me. ;)
Hate you? No. Pity you is more like it.
George
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68603 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 06:14 |
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"ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:11c1i6fbe3lnba0 [at] news.supernews.com...
> George wrote:
>
>> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
>> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
>
> Congratulations. You "win" the "debate". Now please stop hating me. ;)
Hate you? No. Pity you is more like it.
George
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68606 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 06:32 |
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George wrote:
> Hate you? No. Pity you is more like it.
Yes sir, I stand corrected. Please don't PITY me now. :)
::jiggle::
:)
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #68612 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 09:45 |
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"George" <darthbonobo [at] goodall.org> wrote in message
news:1119930244.2a51c31d2f3f5237b36b09a0da878c65 [at] teranews...
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:11c1fj9aaebjb62 [at] news.supernews.com...
> > ToolPackinMama wrote:
> >> In ST2, Admiral Kirk visits Captain Spock in his quarters. Spock is
not
> >> in his uniform, he's in his civvies - a robe - and is obviously
lounging
> >> in comfy leisure attire, like people do before they go to bed.
> >>
> >> Kirk tells Spock about the crisis, and they chit-chat in an intimate,
> >> familiar way about who should properly be in command as they go to
> >> confront the crisis.
> >>
> >> At the peak of this private discussion, Kirk and Spock face each other
in
> >> front of a huge IDIC mural (Woo! SUBTLE!), and Spock says, "I have
been,
> >> and always shall be yours", to Kirk.
> >>
> >> (Woo! SUBTLE!)
(Woo! OUT OF CONTEXT)
Here's the whole line:
SPOCK: You are my commanding officer. You are also my friend. I have been
and always shall be yours.
> >> And then the camera cuts.
> >>
> >> (Woo! SUBTLE!)
> >>
> >> Next thing you know, we are flashing ahead to a scene where Admiral
Kirk
> >> is formally declaring himself to be in command of the Enterprise. At
> >> that time it is 1800 hours, in other words, 6PM.
> >>
> >> I'm looking at the visit to the private quarters and the
host-in-jammies
> >> and the obvious declaration of love, and I'm thinking "OK, so Kirk
visits
> >> Spock while Spock is in his jammies, and Spock receives him, and they
> >> have a chummy little chat which climaxes with "I have been, and always
> >> shall be yours"... and then the camera cuts abruptly, leaving Kirk in
> >> Spock's quarters FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG... and I'm thinking...
> >>
> >> --> I know what people would think if that were a woman in her
jammies,
> >> telling Kirk she always has and always will be his, and then the camera
> >> cuts, and there's a time lapse. <--
> >>
> >> A ~really long~ time lapse! Unless Spock's the kind of guy who would
> >> lounge around in his bathrobe in the middle of the day, when he's
> >> supposed to be on duty and on the bridge. I suppose Kirk could have
> >> visited Spock in the afternoon, during his lunch-and-meditation break,
> >> and it just oddly turned into a rather prolonged lunch-and-meditation
> >> break. I mean, maybe it wasn't hours and hours and hours, maybe it was
> >> only a couple of hours.
It was arround 1600 when Kirk was in Spock's cabin. The work day ends at
1600 in today's navy, and even at sea. Persons not on watch "clean into
night clothing" soon after. It would be logical to assume Starfleet follows
this naval tradition as it follows others (piping Kirk aboard for instance)
So there is nothing unusual about Spock being in his meditation robes, like
he wore on Vulcan, even "in the middle of the day." "Jammies" is only
Laura's wishful thinking, and selective information usage.
> > Then, something similar happens in ST6 (the movie where Kirk and Spock
are
> > explicitly co-captains).
>
> Rank - not necessarily Position.
Indeed, very true.
> >
> > I'm not talking about this:
> >
> > http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/chekovsaw.html
> >
> > I'm talking about later, when Jim visits Spock after hours... after
Spock
> > obviously has retired for the night...
>
> Or simply meditating.
>
> > and Jim apparently stays alllllll night.
>
> Did Paramount hide an easteregg on the dvd that 'reveals' this tidbit? I
> thought not. Someone is seeing things that aren't there again.
LOL!
> > http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/hihoney.jpg
> >
> > If it were a woman, I know what you all would think, and I know why. Ask
> > yourselves: why is it different when it's a man?
>
> It's not. But since that's not what happened in ST6 the question is moot.
>
> And before this goes any further:
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.tv.star-trek.tos/msg /edc99bd4aa862e6c
>
> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the truth.
> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
LOL! Indeed.
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Clubs in the eeeevil Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #69989 ] |
Di, 28 Juni 2005 10:31 |
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"George" <darthbonobo [at] goodall.org> wrote in message
news:1119932632.151ba16d1e87068ce09a3cae338c5ab8 [at] teranews...
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:11c1i6fbe3lnba0 [at] news.supernews.com...
> > George wrote:
> >
> >> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the
truth.
> >> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
> >
> > Congratulations. You "win" the "debate". Now please stop hating me.
;)
>
> Hate you? No. Pity you is more like it.
heh
Didn't you know, Laura's *always* the victim.
Albeit a passive aggressive one.
{{;-/>
--
Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Clubs in the eeeevil Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #70011 ] |
Mi, 29 Juni 2005 00:39 |
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"Kweeg" <kweeg [at] nospam.shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:SV7we.1818788$Xk.1387918 [at] pd7tw3no...
> "George" <darthbonobo [at] goodall.org> wrote in message
> news:1119932632.151ba16d1e87068ce09a3cae338c5ab8 [at] teranews...
>>
>> "ToolPackinMama" <laura [at] lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>> news:11c1i6fbe3lnba0 [at] news.supernews.com...
>> > George wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Kirk and Spock are heterosexual and nothing but - and that's the
> truth.
>> >> Period. End of Story." - ToolPackinMama
>> >
>> > Congratulations. You "win" the "debate". Now please stop hating me.
> ;)
>>
>> Hate you? No. Pity you is more like it.
>
> heh
> Didn't you know, Laura's *always* the victim.
> Albeit a passive aggressive one.
> {{;-/>
The sad thing is is that there is always someone who falls for it.
George
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| Re: ST6 pajama party (Re: [K/S] ST2: Woo! Subtle) [message #71036 ] |
Fr, 01 Juli 2005 07:46 |
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Human Nature
By Madonna
Spoken:)
Express yourself, don't repress yourself (repeat 5 times)
Chorus:
And I'm not sorry [I'm not sorry]
It's human nature [it's human nature]
And I'm not sorry [I'm not sorry]
I'm not your bitch don't hang your shit on me[ Its human nature]
You wouldn't let me say the words I longed to say
You didn't want to see life through my eyes
[Express yourself, don't repress yourself]
You tried to shove me back inside your narrow room
And silence me with bitterness and lies
[Express yourself, don't repress yourself]
Did I say something wrong?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex
[I musta been crazy]
Did I stay too long?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't speak my mind
[What was I thinking]
(chorus)
You punished me for telling you my fantasies
I'm breakin' all the rules I didn't make
[Express yourself, don't repress yourself]
You took my words and made a trap for silly fools
You held me down and tried to make me break
[Express yourself, don't repress yourself]
Bridge:
Did I say something true?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about sex
[I musta been crazy]
Did I have a point of view?
Oops, I didn't know I couldn't talk about you
[What was I thinking]
(chorus)
Express yourself, don't repress yourself (repeat twice)
Express yourself, don't repress yourself (repeat twice)
(bridge)
(chorus)
(chorus, with the following spoken substitutions)
[I'm not apologizing]
[Would it sound better if I were a man?]
[You're the one with the problem]
[Why don't you just deal with it]
(chorus, with the following spoken substitutions)
[Would you like me better if I was?]
[We all feel the same way]
[I have no regrets]
[Just look in the mirror]
(chorus, with the following spoken substitutions)
[I don't have to justify anything]
[I'm just like you]
[Why should I be?]
[Deal with it]
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